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Atheist Turns Theist

It’s important to always try to represent both sides of a debate fairly, so I thought it would be nice for me to highlight an atheist who used evidence to convert to theism.  I’m not going to add much.  I think his argument is one of the best ones I’ve heard in a while, and I’m going to spend the next few days contemplating my own atheism.

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40 thoughts on “Atheist Turns Theist

  1. Say what you want about atheists – puerile, arrogant, dull of mind, slow of thought, no matter how little you might think of atheists, those guys are funny.

    Posted by makarios | October 18, 2009, 6:17 pm
  2. Out of curiosity, don’t you think this little bit is clever? I mean… damn… it’s the exact same argument theists make, and he’s just replaced one noun with another to make a very clever point. Which atheists do you think are dull of mind? Are you suggesting that the author of this video took years to make it? Maybe he only gets one clever thought every few years?

    Childish… I dunno. What part of child-like behavior are you referring to?

    Posted by hambydammit | October 18, 2009, 6:41 pm
  3. Which atheists do you think are dull of mind?

    Well, obviously I don’t mean ALL atheists. That would be a gross generalisation. I mean just the ones that I’ve heard speak, incuding the goof in the video.

    Posted by makarios | October 18, 2009, 7:41 pm
  4. So, I guess you find his argument uncompelling. Could you please sum up what you think he’s saying and tell me why you think it’s wrong?

    Posted by hambydammit | October 18, 2009, 7:48 pm
  5. You want me to explain why a can of SPAM is not like the Creator of the Universe?

    Son, if you can’t figure that out on your own, no explanation on my part will do any good.

    Posted by makarios | October 18, 2009, 8:09 pm
  6. You didn’t really answer my question. I don’t recall the speaker comparing a can of spam to the creator of the universe. In fact, the speaker said nothing whatsoever that I can recall about the creator of the universe. Instead, he gave personal testimony that a can of spam healed his illnesses, and so proved itself as “God.”

    So…

    Let me try again. What’s wrong with his argument? He prayed to a can of spam, and his illnesses went away. Why doesn’t that prove that the can of spam healed him?

    Posted by hambydammit | October 18, 2009, 8:21 pm
  7. Are there other examples of SPAM being omni everything?

    Are there other exmaples of SPAM being able to manipulate matter and energy?

    As the guy in the video pointed out, knowing who created SPAM does not resolve the philosophical problem of an eternal, uncaused first cause.

    I can hardly believe I’m having this conversation. I think I’ll quit – now.

    Posted by makarios | October 18, 2009, 8:44 pm
  8. Feigned incredulity may sound good in a verbal debate, but it’s not going to do much for you here. You haven’t addressed my question yet.

    The speaker made no claims about omni anything. Whether there are other examples of SPAM manipulating matter and energy is not part of his claim. He did make the claim that SPAM cured his illnesses. That appears to be the extent of his claim. What do you find logically untenable about his claim that he prayed to SPAM and SPAM cured his illnesses?

    Posted by hambydammit | October 18, 2009, 9:38 pm
  9. Lol, I really thought that this would be a true convert. It just made it all the more funny when he pulled out the spam!

    Posted by stosis | October 19, 2009, 9:29 pm
  10. Son of spam! LoL!!!
    Eat his flesh, mmmm! yummy son of god!

    LoL!

    Posted by Bill Baker | October 19, 2009, 10:37 pm
  11. That was pretty funny.

    Of course, when you see what god is really made of, you might still not want to believe in the SPAMgod.

    Posted by Patrick Oden | October 20, 2009, 4:31 am
  12. Ok, so why are there so many atheists-ridiculing-religion bloggs popping up lately? I got little theory on that. It may be because atheistic people tend to be attention hungry. It’s only natural, considering amount of egoism that is required for a fulltime atheist to be able to produce enough ignorance to stay such.

    Since it’ll be without doubt too abstract for you materialistic simpletons, I reckon we’ll definitely need a scientific study on smart arsing, attention whoring and their relations to atheism, because I wont be able to clarify it to you otherwise. Let’s drop this for now and wait for study results.

    Seriously, I for example don’t give a fuck about atheism. Why do you keep tagging it as religion? DO NOT WANT! You are only proving your already obvious moral and educational deficiency. Atheism is NOT RELIGION, and morons aside, your artificial relation between random “comical” objects and objects of religious worship isn’t funny to other people. It’s just pitiable instead and also exceptional basis for a decent anti-atheism rant.

    Posted by true believer | October 20, 2009, 6:51 am
  13. Im sorry true believer. It appears you think that the ‘You Tubers’ and ‘bloggers’ on the net are MORE ostentatious and egotistical than the religious preachers that appear on our TV screens.

    I just watched a guy on TV claim GOD was working through him and he could cure cancer! When it comes to the egotistical, you guys take the prize.

    Please by all means, argue the case for a God, use sound reasoning as so many other learned preachers and theologians have done, you can even try to suggest that Darwin was the first nazi if you like, but it really needs to be a little more thought out that Atheists are morons.

    And please for your own God’s sake. Stop being judgemental and chill out. Jesus wouldnt want you getting all stressy like this!

    Posted by Peter | October 20, 2009, 10:23 am
  14. Peter: “I just watched a guy on TV claim GOD was working through him and he could cure cancer!”

    I assume since you are being an Atheist, you did quick scientific research and came up with a proof that he’s not telling a truth? Oh wait, no, it’s just your oppinion. Which you state as a fact. I’ll tell you a fact. No scientist yet found a cure for cancer, although many, many of them claimed that they did. Now, where does that puts you, my fellow true believer?

    Posted by true believer | November 2, 2009, 10:03 am
  15. Im sorry, true believer, that you failed to see the point of my comment, I am arguing your comment that…

    “It may be because atheistic people tend to be attention hungry.”

    I am arguing the point by suggesting the guy on TV was claiming God worked through him to cure cancer. He declaired in a most spiritual way that “God has chosen him, God has given him this gift”

    God has CHOSEN him

    According to the oxford english dictionary, the term egotistical means;
    Given to talking about oneself; vain; boastful; opinionated.

    The atheists arent talking about themselves, being boastful or vain, they are being opinionated, but so are you my friend.

    “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For with the judgement you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.”
    Matthew 7:1

    “O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called”
    Timothy 1:6

    Please true believer, why don’t you follow your own books advice.

    Posted by Peter | November 2, 2009, 8:45 pm
  16. “you failed to see ithe point of my comment, I am arguing your comment”

    You are not. If he was actually able to cure cancer, he would be worth some attention, don’t you think? So, again, how do you actually know that he’s not able to do what he’s claiming? What would be then acceptable cure for cancer according to you? Even if that guy was egoistical, that got nothing to do with my point on atheism. Most people are not egoists, but most atheists are.

    Posted by true believer | November 3, 2009, 6:51 am
  17. You totally dont get it do you. There are millions of people with cancer around the world. If there was just ONE person with the genuine ability to cure cancer with a touch, it would be decried the world over, and not by some crazed zealot on TV desperate for some sucker to give away their hard earned cash.

    You really believe that God, as in your bible God, the one that said give your money back to those who produced it, would put his ability into the body of someone who is after your cash like a cheap snake oil pedaller.

    If he was actually able to cure cancer, he would be covered by every news channel on the planet, and you and I would not be having this futile conversation on an atheists blogroll.

    You have come on spouting distaste for the writers and commenters on this site, and have given them no respect even though Jesus told you to. You have made judgements on them, even though Jesus told you not to, and you have bantered with non believers, which Jesus said specifically not to do.

    Im sure Jesus didnt say “believe in these rules, but only do them when you want.”

    If you dont want to listen to Jesus, then listen to the other people on this roll, or the other atheists around the world, because at this rate my friend you dont seem to believe in anything substantive. And at least you could believe something that makes logical sense rather than the tooth fairy story you listen to at the moment

    Posted by Peter | November 4, 2009, 7:53 pm
  18. Wow, so much bullsit, and still no answer to simple logical question: HOW THE FUCK YOU KNOW HE CAN’T? You don’t answer, because your answer would be that you actually don’t know, and only believe. Which brings us to following: as much as your own belief seems right, my seems to me. Learn to respect other people, and not to ridicule them only because you are too stupid to accept that not everytone thinks same as you.

    Posted by true believer | November 5, 2009, 6:38 am
  19. I’m loving this! Do you have any idea how you sound?

    You sound like a zealot, like the Christian Taliban! You’ll be banning kites next!

    And whats worse, is that after just 4 replies you have resorted to swearing!

    You have totally ignored the views and beliefs you pretend to believe in, that Jesus said, and that your church proclaims. Have you not noticed that the non believer is the one quoting scripture!

    Now im not talking about your “point”, which has switched by the way from
    Atheists are attention seekers, to you just dont know man!

    I’m simply talking about your inability to have a reasoned conversation without you going back to an immature debase purile state. I am not a child, but you seem to think that swearing is the panacea of arguments. Maybe by screaming alot you get things done in your household, but in the real world, it doesnt work.

    But maybe I should bow down to the guy who says Fuck alot. Hmmm, i think not, because… lets be honest… You dont scare me?

    I must bow down to one thing you said however.

    I dont know.you dont know, no one knows..

    Thats kind of the atheists point, not that you have ever really listened to it, or you would have seen it. Even the most devout theologians admit that atheists have a point, they just choose to believe in God because their lives are more fulfilled with God in it.

    Its my best guess however, that a story of some fairy from the sky creating us from the shit on her underwear just isnt true, which is pretty much as believable as the tripe you pretend to spout.

    Hey… but I dont know, so maybe I’m right, or maybe you’re right or maybe the defacating God Fairy is right. Either way, I dont go round telling people how to run their lives… well, provided they dont do the high and mighty over the rest of us like you do.

    Posted by Peter | November 5, 2009, 11:44 am
  20. “And whats worse, is that after just 4 replies you have resorted to swearing!”

    Well, where I come from, you tell something three times nicely, and then you start yelling at the idiot.

    “You have totally ignored the views and beliefs you pretend to believe in, that Jesus said, and that your church proclaims. Have you not noticed that the non believer is the one quoting scripture!”

    What you’re on? I don’t have my own church yet as far as I know, but I’m working on it.

    “Now im not talking about your “point”, which has switched by the way from
    Atheists are attention seekers, to you just don’t know man!”

    Someone with a brain would reason like this: “He said I’m attention seeker because I’m ridiculing other people only because they think different. I should actually thank him for not calling me an idiot.” Or maybe like this: “Because I know shit but still enjoy putting down other people with views different to mine, I’m an attention seeker!” Not you.

    “But maybe I should bow down to the guy who says Fuck alot. Hmmm, i think not, because… lets be honest… You dont scare me? ”

    If saying “fuck” seems like I’m trying to scare you, I honestly feel sorry for you. And don’t ever go to New York, scary place. I was actually using it as an expression of frustration with your stupidity. For example: “Its my best guess however, that a story of some fairy from the sky creating us from the shit on her underwear just isnt true, which is pretty much as believable as the tripe you pretend to spout.” Oh, and that I’m not a Christian. How to fuck did you even get that idea?

    “Hey… but I dont know, so maybe I’m right, or maybe you’re right or maybe the defacating God Fairy is right.”

    Like I said already: morons aside, your artificial relation between random “comical” objects and objects of religious worship isn’t funny to other people. But it does presents your view of the world quite accurate.

    Posted by true believer | November 6, 2009, 7:04 am
  21. After three times? You said it on your first reply! On an aheists blog may I remind you. We havent gone to a biblical blog, you have come here and sworn at us my arrogant friend.

    As for working on your own “church”, sorry to give you a lesson in english for a second time.

    Its funny this… I’m the one who has to show YOU, the “religious” zealot (although I am not convinced you have a clue of what you’re supposed to believe in) the relevant passages in the bible, and how (i am astonished at this) to use the dictionary

    church (chûrch) n.
    1. A building for public, especially Christian worship.
    2. often Church
    a. The company of all Christians regarded as a spiritual body.
    b. A specified Christian denomination: the Presbyterian Church.
    c. A congregation.
    3. Public divine worship in a church; a religious service: goes to church at Christmas and Easter.
    4. The clerical profession; clergy.
    5. Ecclesiastical power as distinguished from the secular: the separation of church and state.

    Please note!

    2a…. the company of all Christrians regarded as a spiritual body… are you not a Christian?

    never mind eh?

    Your argument that WE should be greatful that you dont call us idiots doesnt stand up. For a start, you ARE calling us idiots and also since you cannot prove you ARE right then you cant say we are wrong.

    If you could prove it, we’d all be believers, but Jesus said he didnt want that. He talked in parables because he WANTED to be obscure. Have you even read the bible?

    Listen, you want to swear, you go ahead, but it makes you sound pathetic and stupid. Jees! Kids get told to use your words, perhaps this is a lesson you didnt learn. Use your words, grow up, be a man. This is just painful!

    Finally, yes my view of the world may well be filled with “comical” objects, and on this blog I am happy to exercise them in the company of others that have a similar point of view.

    I wouldnt dream of going onto a biblical blog and telling people their God made us from the scum underneath her big reubenesque breasts. I’m not so rude, argumentative or attention seeking as you.

    I dont look for arguments, although I could and probably would if it was always as easy as this to make the religious fanatic look so stupid.

    Posted by Peter | November 6, 2009, 7:59 pm
  22. “After three times? You said it on your first reply!”

    But not to you. To you personaly I said it in my fourth reply. Luckly, it’s still above, so everyone can scroll up and see how blind, dishonest and ignorant atheist zaelots like you are. For that I thank you. I’m also greatly thankfull for you English lessons. You see, English is not even my second language, maybe third, so any help to improve is welcomed. That is of course my only reason to discuss anything with someone like you, because logic or resoning are here misplaced. In light of that, I’ll repeat: I’M NOT FUCKING CHRISTIAN YOU …

    “Your argument that WE should be greatful that you dont call us idiots doesnt stand up.”

    I’m prety sure that people talking to them selves in plural require medical attention and psychiatric care.

    “Listen, you want to swear, you go ahead, but it makes you sound pathetic and stupid. Jees!”

    JEES!!! ROFL

    Posted by true believer | November 8, 2009, 8:08 am
  23. Yes, you do swear all the time dont you.

    And now you are saying that the only reason YOU came on to an atheist website to write your rediculous commnets was NOT to disparage or insult us, but to practice your english. Interesting.

    And you are practicing your english by swearing alot. OK

    I get you now. I hope if theres one thing you can take away from this its that swearing makes you look immature. Thats why you rarely find politicians doing it, or pastors for that matter my friend.

    Well at least we are beyond the point where you are presenting any religious argument now so thats something. I know I can make this my last post in the knowledge you have exhausted all your efforts.

    I keep mentioning this fact because its astounding to me, but this is an atheist web site, an ATHEIST web site, and WE, as in the people who read and support this atheist website, all look at your comments with disbelief at how argumentative, futile and totally illogical it is.

    Logic as Im sure the owner of this site will tell you, does not mean believing in the man in the moon, cos well… why not, its as good as anything else. Logic means something very different.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/logic

    You can argue Decartes or Paley, til you’re blue in the face my frined. Its still a weak and pointless argument, and one that disproves your magic man as much as it does science

    For me though, a good solid example of Logic is looking around at what you are sure you know and piecing together theorums. Like how an aerofoil works. You can pray to your Icon if you want. When I take off in a plane I know that science put me up there, not some spiritual mumbo-jumbo.

    Just out in interest, do you think that the Atheist who owns this blog would allow this argument on his atheist website if he thought YOU were winning.

    He’d stop it even in you sounded sane. He’d probably stop it even if you had just one seed of an argument, but you dont. You sound totally crazy, and out of control.

    I really do wish you the best. I really do hope you sort yourself out. And if you want to practice whichever Voodoo religion you want, then thats alright by me my friend.

    I believe I am done though. I believe Im getting out whilst I’m miles ahead.

    Posted by Peter | November 8, 2009, 10:05 am
  24. Yes, you do swear alot dont you.

    As for the english lesson. Well you’re welcome. If there is one thing you can take away from this, it should be that swearing makes you out to be stupid. Its why politicians, and pastors for that matter, avoid it.

    If you cannot make an argument without swearing, then you have no argument to make.

    Incidentally, I am very glad we have finally gotten off the subject of religion. Since you are at least smart enough to appreciate there is no argument for religion at all.

    There are arguments for God, but they are just as futile as the argument for Atheism, in fact they are the same argument for God… We dont know, so lets give this a go…which is precisely the point the Atheist makes.

    The Atheist just adds that, ok we dont know for a fact… but lets just start of with Newtons Laws to begin with, before we start claim the man in the moon did it.

    Newton had to go through the same rubbish Darwin has to right now, and eventually, after alot of silly people who should know better claiming Newton was wrong, the majority of the “religious” world agreed with him.

    Although this time DeCartes and Paley are carted out, thanks to religious fundamentalists. Christians, Muslims and god knows who else keep churning two of the most pointless, useless and irrefutable theories ever invented. Neither are of any value to anyone.

    You can say “Yeah, but how do you know”, like some over-enthusiastic student who believes he is the first person ever to come up with the idea, but you’re not. And free thinkers much smarter than me, and clearly a hell of a lot smarter than you have responded appropriately with reasoned and important arguments. All of which amounted to… dont be so stupid, you immature imbecile.

    Im going to leave this here. I have no doubt this argument is over. And quite simply I dont enjoy being sworn at, especially from someone who is so blinkered in his thinking he cant even tell when I am speaking for a group of like minded people.

    I wish you good fortune in your endeavours, I have no animosity to you at all. And I really hope you take the chance to open your ears a little more, to really listen to what the rest of the world is saying.

    I have read the Bible, and the Koran, and I am half-way through the Grunth and a number of Atheistic books. I have at least taken the time to try to understand religious views from around the world. I believe that has given me the right to speak from a place of understanding. When you can honestly claim the same, then maybe I’ll listen to you, but I am sure, when you read the same you will have changed your mind.

    Posted by Peter | November 11, 2009, 7:30 am
  25. I need to weigh in on one thing in this discussion. I’ve been perfectly happy to let it go on without comment, but I need to be sure to address this:

    “Just out in interest, do you think that the Atheist who owns this blog would allow this argument on his atheist website if he thought YOU were winning.”

    Actually, I “lose” a fair number of discussions on this board. If you don’t believe me, search for GFelis’s comments, and you’ll find a number of times where he’s called me out on something, and I’ve admitted my mistake. (Incidentally, he’s got the letters after his name to qualify him to weigh in on most of my biology/evolution/philosophy/psychology posts.)

    Trust me, if a theist ever came on here and won an argument about the existence of god, I’d not only allow it, I’d broadcast it as far as I could to anybody who’d listen. This isn’t an “atheist website.” It’s a search for truth. If theists are right, *I WANT TO KNOW.*

    Posted by hambydammit | November 11, 2009, 3:00 pm
  26. *I WANT TO KNOW.*
    That’s not true statement. You do know. You refuse to accept it. I’m not going to argue this with you or that “Peter” prick because it’s pointless. Your belief system denies God’s existence. That’s perfectly fine with me. Without godlessness, there would be no believers. Moreover, I’ll even accept your futile existence, although I can’t see you. Anyone rational would see equivalence there. You will refuse, because that is your choice. Like I said, that’s all fine. What pisses me off is the amount of ignorance this video here is showing. Author’s claim is a lie. That’s not fine. Since you put it here, you obviously agree with its content because you consider it funny. It just proves my point and low moral standards of you Atheists. Although you guys love to ponder immorality of religion, you completely lack anything in even vague resemblance of a moral code. Well, my English is not very good, so instead of writing all this, sometimes it’s easier for me to just say FUCK IT to express my discontent, disproval and frustration. I’m sure that guy like “Peter” never ever swears and only speaks pure Oxford English while he’s drinking his fucking 5 o’clock tee with his English-police mates, just before running away like a pussy. However, I can’t get out of my head a picture of something I saw while ago: this guy was trying to enter a building a wee bit too fast for the sliding door that was just cleaned. You can imagine what happened … Or maybe not since you couldn’t see it and I got no scientific proof you would accept. It doesn’t stop me from laughing when thinking about his face. I think I’m somehow expecting the same expression when you guys finally face the truth. I think I won’t even double-post this to make it seem rational. It makes sense even in English.

    Posted by true believer | November 12, 2009, 8:58 am
  27. Without godlessness, there would be no believers.

    Um…

    Ow. My brain hurts. I think your basic logic is failing you.

    Moreover, I’ll even accept your futile existence, although I can’t see you. Anyone rational would see equivalence there.

    One of the things that gets you in trouble, true, is that you’re really fond of throwing lots of powerful sounding words in your diatribes. You’d do better to stick to words you understand fully, because it’s obvious to the rest of us that you’re skating on the edge of your own literary competence. The word you’re looking for isn’t “equivalence.” You’re accepting my existence (which I find rather fulfilling, so I’m puzzled by your ability to judge it as futile) based on evidence. Not equivalence. Most rational people would see the evidence for my existence.

    What pisses me off is the amount of ignorance this video here is showing. Author’s claim is a lie. That’s not fine. Since you put it here, you obviously agree with its content because you consider it funny.

    What amuses me is that you’re the only person in this conversation, and probably one of the only ones who’s watched the video, who doesn’t get it.

    As an aside, once when I was an undergraduate, there was an error in my registration, and I got signed up for a graduate level geology course instead of the introductory undergraduate course I wanted. I didn’t discover the error until I was actually in the class on the first day. Even though the professor and students were understanding, it hurt my pride to realize how incredibly ignorant I was. I didn’t even understand the professor’s introduction! There were so many things that were over my head, I felt stupid. Even though it was just an elective for my science requirement, I felt horribly ashamed at my own lack of knowledge. I worked harder in the undergraduate class than I would have otherwise. My ignorance motivated me to learn.

    Some people, unfortunately, react to their own ignorance by entering fight or flight mode. You can spot these folks from a mile away. They just dig themselves deeper and deeper, and everyone watching feels a combination of pity and frustration that they won’t just back off. Our human instincts have not prepared us for the culture we live in. We really do need a separate instinct for this kind of conflict, but we don’t have it. What a shame.

    It just proves my point and low moral standards of you Atheists. Although you guys love to ponder immorality of religion, you completely lack anything in even vague resemblance of a moral code.

    Well, what can I say? You’ve caught me. Last night, I went out drinking. What a horrible person I am! Despite the fact that I was responsible enough to get a cab home, while everyone around me drove drunk, I am the morally depraved one.

    Day in and day out, I spend my time plotting the overthrow of all that is good. I murder kittens. Every time someone trusts me, I betray their trust. I yell at cashiers for no reason. I never tip. I steal at least a hundred dollars of groceries every time I go to the grocery store. Once, I got sexually excited while watching porn. OH NO!!

    Seriously, you hypocritical twat, you have no business saying one thing about my morality. Firstly, because you have no fucking clue. You don’t know me from anyone else, and you have no idea what I do or don’t do. Secondly, because you have no idea what morality is.

    Well, my English is not very good, so instead of writing all this, sometimes it’s easier for me to just say FUCK IT to express my discontent, disproval and frustration.

    Your syntax is indeed poor. I say “FUCK” when I’ve had about as much as I can take from a blathering idiot who gets his rocks off preaching to people who are obviously much more learned than he.

    I’m sure that guy like “Peter” never ever swears and only speaks pure Oxford English while he’s drinking his fucking 5 o’clock tee with his English-police mates, just before running away like a pussy.

    Ahem. A “tee” is used in the sport of golf, which was not invented by the British. By most accounts, it was the Scottish, who prefer whiskey to tea. Also, the term “fanny” is the British equivalent of “pussy.” If you’d like to say “cunt,” that’s also acceptable, but it is not nearly as vulgar to the Brits as Americans. You’d also sound a lot more authentic if you said, “bobbies” instead of “English-police.”

    I think I’m somehow expecting the same expression when you guys finally face the truth. I think I won’t even double-post this to make it seem rational. It makes sense even in English.

    Whatever gets you to sleep at night, champ.

    Posted by hambydammit | November 12, 2009, 1:58 pm
  28. “One of the things that gets you in trouble, true, is that you’re really fond of throwing lots of powerful sounding words in your diatribes. You’d do better to stick to words you understand fully, because it’s obvious to the rest of us that you’re skating on the edge of your own literary competence. The word you’re looking for isn’t “equivalence.” You’re accepting my existence (which I find rather fulfilling, so I’m puzzled by your ability to judge it as futile) based on evidence. Not equivalence. Most rational people would see the evidence for my existence.”

    Haha, your every word makes you bigger asshat, and you like to type a lot. I’ll explain it to you son: me don’t see you, you don’t see God, I see your writing here, we both see God’s holy books, I accept you and God exist, you don’t accept God’s existence, comprende? “Not equivalence”. ROFL. You are killing me. I so got owned right there. ROFL.

    “I say “FUCK” when I’ve had about as much as I can take from a blathering idiot who gets his rocks off preaching to people who are obviously much more learned than he.”

    Well, thanks a lot for your English lesions. However, I also noticed your English skills lacking quite a bit. “Learned” is not a word you were after in the sentence above. More fitting word you were actually after is “stupid” or “arrogant”, and then your sentence would make some sense. Also, you want to say “atheist” instead of “idiot” and vice-versa. And “prick” instead of “I”. Your English is obviously much more lacking than mine. Blame the school system.

    While you was observing fight or flight behaviour in people from your tree, did you ever consider what happens when you in your endless arrogance and stupidity, in real life insult those same people? My observation tells me that you would be up for some serious good-old arse whoopin, regardless of your endless, meaningless, pointless dumb rhetoric. You see, when you try to piss people off, they tend to get angry. Just experiment with that in reality a little, please.

    And there is no more ignorance in existence then in an atheist, far none, especially if he’s an arrogant prick like you. It’s interesting that you brought that up, probably by thinking bit too far ahead of your self. I’m so fucking thankful. Atheist calls me ignorant! Fucking hilarious! It made my night so sleepy.

    “By most accounts, it was the Scottish, who prefer whiskey to tea. Also, the term “fanny” is the British equivalent of “pussy.” ”

    Are you in your ignorance trying to say that Scots are English? Seriously, what’s wrong with you? “Fanny”? Well, lucky we’re not British, and don’t forget we are on atheist blogg here. Be very careful with such statements, because some moron atheist could decide to read that as “funny”, and then type whole fucking essay on how that’s not funny. Would you like your time wasted on that?

    Posted by true believer | November 13, 2009, 3:50 am
  29. Actually, no. “Learned” is exactly the correct word. Thanks for your concern.

    Posted by hambydammit | November 13, 2009, 9:23 pm
  30. “Learned” is someone that studied stuff, but you know shit, ergo, “learned” is wrong word because even if you studied, you failed. It must be out of stupidity, so “stupid” is much more fitting. “Arrogant” means that you only think that you are learned and therefore above others, when in fact clueless out of either ignorance or stupidity, so word “arrogant” is fitting as well. Take your pick which out of two is best replacement. In your case, I would go for both suggestions. In your place, I would go for flight, because fight is not going too well for you.

    Posted by true believer | November 14, 2009, 9:53 am
  31. Yeah, atheists are much more arrogant than us theists. Atheists think they are just one species of animal on a tiny planet in an ignificant solar system among billions of galaxies. Us theists know that the entire universe was made for us by God who sacrificed his only child for our benefit.

    Arrogant atheist scum!!

    Posted by Watcher | November 14, 2009, 6:41 pm
  32. If you love Jesus you know I meant it spelled “insignificant”.

    Posted by Watcher | November 14, 2009, 6:42 pm
  33. Maybe your spelling is lacking too, “Watcher”, maybe not, but what I do know for sure is that you atheists don’t really care who made what, what is which, who you insult … Only thing you care about is you and your over inflated egos. That’s acceptable definition of arrogance for everyone else except you and I’m not surprised you won’t admit to it. If you like to call yourself scum, go for it. It’s not what I would do, but I reckon it’s still a step forward after lying about others.

    Posted by true believer | November 15, 2009, 5:54 am
  34. From the OED:

    2. a. Of a person: In early use, that has been taught; instructed, educated. In later use with narrowed sense: Having profound knowledge gained by study, esp. in language or some department of literary or historical science; deeply-read, erudite.

    “Learned” was used correctly.

    Posted by Balkoth | November 15, 2009, 1:38 pm
  35. Have it as you will, “true believer”. Keep believing in your humble way that god puts you above all else in this universe. Truly your worldview is the humble one.

    I insult idiotic beliefs, not individuals. And your beliefs are worthy of mockery.

    Posted by Watcher | November 15, 2009, 6:05 pm
  36. Balkoth, your use of word “OED” proves me right. Watcher, you are stupid or a lier, take your pick. I nowhere said that I hold such belief, yet you claim I do. I said few times already that I’m not a Christian. Even if I was, Christians do not believe that God put each one of them personaly above everything else. You would be closer if you say that they consider Humanity above everything else, but even that is wrong because they think that humans doing bad things will end up worse then enything else. So your “learned” is down the drain. Study more.

    Posted by true believer | November 17, 2009, 3:51 am
  37. OED is an acronym. While it’s generally accepted that “radar” and “scuba” are words (because they are pronounced as discreet words, there is no consensus on acronyms which are pronounced as their component letters. It would be more precise, and would display more scholarship, if you called “OED” an acronym instead of a word.

    Posted by hambydammit | November 17, 2009, 6:52 pm
  38. So hambydammit, since you want to be more precise, if it’s not a word, then it’s not an acronym either. It’s initialism.

    Posted by true believer | November 18, 2009, 4:01 am
  39. true believer, you are a retard or an imbecile, take your pick.

    Just kidding, I assumed you were a christian or some other sort of theist due to your handle. I didn’t bother to read all the pages of drivel or whatever everyone was babbling about up there.

    I would ask what you are a true believer in…but I just remembered that I don’t really care. Toodles.

    Posted by Watcher | November 18, 2009, 7:42 pm
  40. “I didn’t bother to read all the pages of drivel or whatever everyone was babbling about up there.”

    Typical. Watcher, only thing that’s important is what you say, and of course, you are always right. Not that you care. Or anyone else. I wonder what is the right English expression for your attitude. Let me guess: egoistic. If you bother to scroll up and read, you may notice that it was already mentioned before as atheist’s main characteristic. Second one mentioned was arrogance. You sort of confirmed all that.

    Posted by true believer | November 19, 2009, 4:07 am

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