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Trust Your Eyes? You Shouldn’t…

Blue green spiral illusion

Wanna know something that will blow your mind?  The green and the blue spirals are exactly the same color.  Crazy, huh?

This is why it’s important to trust science more than “common sense.”  What’s plainly true is often objectively false, and our senses are incredibly easy to fool.  If you want to know the secret to this illusion, check it out here.

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18 thoughts on “Trust Your Eyes? You Shouldn’t…

  1. Whoa, that blows my mind! I went to the site and checked it – amazing. Point taken – science trumps common sense.

    Posted by Susan Walsh | November 5, 2010, 7:45 pm
  2. Uhh, Hamby, isnt the scientific method based on observation?
    Especially in the scientific field of evolution?

    Just sayin…

    Posted by PG | November 5, 2010, 10:04 pm
  3. Glad you’re here, PG. I was feeling the need to be a dick to someone after trying to be nice all day.

    You might want to look into the difference between observation (receiving visual data about something) and observation (using corroborative data from as many senses as possible, and instruments capable of “observing” data we humans can’t sense).

    Just sayin…

    Posted by hambydammit | November 5, 2010, 11:09 pm
  4. While I have seen similar visual illusions, this particular picture isn’t one of them. The claim that the green and blue swirls are the same color isn’t true.

    1. Copy the picture to your desktop.

    2. Open the picture in Paint (If you have a Windows OS).

    3. Select any portion of of the Blue or Green swirl with the cut and paste function thing (I apologize, I don’t know the terminology of the function in Paint).

    4. Move the Green or Blue portion of the selected area to the other color and compare.

    It’s not the same color. Seriously. I tried it on various sections 6 different times.

    The article is misleading and substitutes different variations of the colors in the associated article to mess with your head.

    The best optical illusion of this type that I have seen is the length of rail ties on a railroad going off in a distance. That surprises me every time I see it every so often years.

    Posted by Watcher | November 5, 2010, 11:45 pm
  5. Oh wait…no, it is.

    Posted by Watcher | November 5, 2010, 11:47 pm
  6. Cool trick.

    How did they do that?

    Posted by Watcher | November 5, 2010, 11:47 pm
  7. Hamby, Writing nonsense and responding with irrelevent rebuttals is not being a dick, but a dickhead!

    For your information: Visual observation and recording those observations exclusively without reliance on instruments and other senses is acceptable in the science method to form a legitimate hypothesis, but you already knew that, right hamby! Its just that admitting to your blunder destroys the intent of your origional post and further erodes your credibility!!

    You simply hope your readership will continue to do what you do and follow rethoric without reservation or challenges,

    Again, thats just you being a dickhead!

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    Posted by PG | November 6, 2010, 1:19 am
  8. However I must say, if infact we do follow through with your conclusions that we should not rely on common sense, then Atheism does infact start to look more reasonable…

    Just sayin…

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    Posted by PG | November 6, 2010, 1:21 am
  9. 3.   scibuff Says:
    June 24th, 2009 at 10:46 am
    Just in case anyone is wondering, wordpress image uploader adjusts images in a way that causes colors to change slightly. If you want to truly examine the image in photoshop use the one from the original post.

    http://www.buzzhunt.co.uk/2009/06/22/green-and-blue/

    Posted by Fey | November 6, 2010, 7:20 pm
  10. This is why it’s important to trust science more than “common sense.” What’s plainly true is often objectively false, and our senses are incredibly easy to fool.

    I find it rather odd and mind boggling that you constantly post about “obvious” being easy to fool, and yet use that as “proof” of your claims about religion.

    I honestly just don’t understand it.

    Posted by cptpineapple | November 9, 2010, 4:16 pm
  11. Well, Alison, I don’t understand why you don’t get the difference in the two kinds of claims. So we’re still at an impasse.

    Posted by hambydammit | November 9, 2010, 4:44 pm
  12. I think the primary reason I can’t see a difference is that there isn’t one.

    A telling case is that you’ll accept the “obvious” argument for religion degrading society, but you won’t accept it for sexual images of women degrading society.

    Or am I missing why you do that too?

    Posted by cptpineapple | November 9, 2010, 11:58 pm
  13. You know, come to think of it, the last time we discussed this it was in them comments section and hence the replies were kinda short.

    Maybe you could do a blog entry illustrating the difference?

    Posted by cptpineapple | November 10, 2010, 11:57 pm
  14. A telling case is that you’ll accept the “obvious” argument for religion degrading society, but you won’t accept it for sexual images of women degrading society.

    Or am I missing why you do that too?

    It would seem that you’re missing why there’s a distinction. Let me break it down for you:

    Claim: The sexualization, depiction of sexualization, and objectification of women are intrinsically degrading to society.

    This claim, in and of itself, isn’t clear enough to accept. Since “sexualization” and “objectification” are intrinsic to our psychology, and cannot be separated from our conceptualization of other people, we must make a more precise claim. We must differentiate between either kinds or degrees of sexualization and objectification. Once we’ve done that, we can start to examine the kinds or degrees and see if there is a real causal chain to some kind of undue harm.

    Claim: Faith based reasoning is a unique catalyst for dysfunction and harm, and contributes directly to both individual and cultural harm.

    This claim is quite precise, and can be empirically demonstrated. Since faith based reasoning is different in kind than “good reasoning,” we can simply look at people who use faith based reasoning and those who use don’t and check for differences. And sure enough, there are differences.

    Admittedly, there is an underlying assumption — that certain values are “good” and others are “bad.” If you need me to prove that egalitarianism, tolerance, self-actualization, intellectual freedom, sexual equality, gender equality, and so forth are good things for society, then maybe we have a deeper misunderstanding than I thought. But when we look across the world and see the enemies of these kinds of principles, they are overwhelmingly people whose worldview is faith based. When faith controls both religious and political views, as in the far right wing of the Republican Party, the governments of Iran and other Islamic countries, the Catholic dominated societies of many third world countries, etc, the results are often devastating in human terms.

    The reason this claim is obviously true is not that it doesn’t need empirical proof. It’s that the empirical proof is all around us. There’s so much of it that it hardly needs to be pointed out, except to the occasional Canadian misanthrope who somehow has come to the conclusion that everyone everywhere would do exactly the same things in life no matter what worldview they hold. Now THAT is an extraordinary claim.

    Posted by hambydammit | November 11, 2010, 2:09 pm
  15. Maybe you could do a blog entry illustrating the difference?

    Here’s your blog post.

    As far as differentiating this argument from the “Sexualization = societal harm,” I don’t need a blog post. Just read the paragraph I wrote in this thread. It’s as simple as that.

    Posted by hambydammit | November 11, 2010, 3:17 pm
  16. This claim is quite precise, and can be empirically demonstrated. Since faith based reasoning is different in kind than “good reasoning,” we can simply look at people who use faith based reasoning and those who use don’t and check for differences. And sure enough, there are differences.

    Considering faith based beliefs are egocentric, I don’t see the point.

    But you seem to be going off confirmation bias.

    If you need me to prove that egalitarianism, tolerance, self-actualization, intellectual freedom, sexual equality, gender equality, and so forth are good things for society, then maybe we have a deeper misunderstanding than I thought

    I do recall pointing out[with the study to back it up] that atheists are as likely to reject these things as theists.

    The reason this claim is obviously true is not that it doesn’t need empirical proof. It’s that the empirical proof is all around us. There’s so much of it that it hardly needs to be pointed ou

    Hamby of all the time I’ve asked for empirical peer reviewed studies on this, how many times have I recieved them?

    Now, you say you don’t need them, because the evidence is all around us, blah blah blah, but there’s a problem with that.

    You remember how you brag about how scientifically minded and objective you are and admitted the scientific evidence didn’t show that religion is the primal cause of suicide bombings?

    Now let’s think about this for a minute. What was your justification when you were on the religion=suicide bombing wagon? “It’s obvious the empirical evidence is all around you.”

    Now,just because the “obvious” method was wrong on suicide bombings, doesn’t mean that your method is wrong. The scientific method gets things wrong all the time.

    But the thing is, your “obvious” method isn’t self correcting. The scientific method is!

    What method lead to your recantment? The scientific method, not the “it’s obvious method”

    How do you self correct with the “obvious” method? If you need the scientific method to tell what the “obvious” method got right and wrong, why even use the “obvious” method? Why not just stick to the scientific method?

    except to the occasional Canadian misanthrope who somehow has come to the conclusion that everyone everywhere would do exactly the same things in life no matter what worldview they hold. Now THAT is an extraordinary claim.

    That’s not my claim. My claim, is that the human mind fucks up and are easy to fool.

    Ask any 9/11 “truther” about proving controlled demolitions, and he’ll think YOUR the idiot, for not seeing the thermite bombs going off on the 72nd floor.

    The point is that rationalization prevails. We all think we’re rational.

    Also, it’s precisly that I think people would act differently with worldviews that I argue with yours. After all, why would I if I didn’t think it would make a difference?

    Posted by cptpineapple | November 11, 2010, 6:21 pm
  17. Odd, pornography is consumed in the most religious parts of the US.

    If sexualized images of women degrade society, it looks like religion wins again.

    Posted by J. Quinton | November 12, 2010, 12:05 pm
  18. Thanks Quinton, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.

    For one thing, correlation does not imply causation.

    Second of all, for seeing as the atheist movement seems to claim to be spreading science and Hamby has said repeatitly that science is the only path to knowledge, I find it kind of odd, that the atheist movement seems to give themselves an exception to the whole science thing. .

    Rejecting science for the cause of spreading science and promoting the idea science is the only path to knowledge is odd.

    Third of all, the atheist movement likes to claim that it doesn’t claim religion is the source of all ills… and then proceeds to say the source of all ills is religion. And worse of all, as soon as the blame is placed on religion, all other explanations or inquires are off limits.

    Posted by cptpineapple | November 13, 2010, 12:38 am

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