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This Religious Meme is Not Moral

There are a few things I’ve had trouble with in contemplating this whole “religious morality” debate.  This verse and others like it are one of the most glaring.  (For you sticklers, I didn’t make this poster, and I know it’s technically 1 Timothy 2:11-12.  Get off my back.)

Here’s the problem in a nutshell.  There’s a very reasonable train of logic that goes something like this:

  1. Religion can tell us something about morality that science can’t.
  2. Science can’t question what religion tells us about morality because it’s religious in nature, not scientific.
  3. Religion says, “Keep your women silent, uneducated, and pregnant.”

Ok… so… what now?  Women stay silent, right?

If you believe the first of these three statements, then yes.  That’s about it.  Anyone who believes this particular religion can’t be called to task on subjugating women.

Basic human empathy and the desire to be loved are enough to come up with the “Golden Rule,” and that’s enough to get most people through life with good morals.  So where does that leave religion?  If it’s unnecessary to establish the essence of morality, and its claims of scientific immunity actually remove it from any kind of empirical morality, doesn’t that mean it only adds immorality in the name of God?

 

 

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7 thoughts on “This Religious Meme is Not Moral

  1. I may or may not have a comment about this post, but since I am female and the writer is male, I guess I gotta keep silent with full submission 😦

    Posted by Fey | January 4, 2011, 1:58 am
  2. So where does that leave religion? If it’s unnecessary to establish the essence of morality, and its claims of scientific immunity actually remove it from any kind of empirical morality, doesn’t that mean it only adds immorality in the name of God?

    Actually Hamby, I think the fact that religions change and conform is the best prove against your and many other atheist’s claim.

    These immoral religious memes are declining, and rightly so, which just goes to show how malliable the supposedly “removal from empirically morality” religion is.

    Posted by cptpineapple | January 4, 2011, 4:48 am
  3. Shut the hell up, Fey. Nobody asked your opinion, you…. woman…

    🙂

    Posted by hambydammit | January 4, 2011, 1:51 pm
  4. Actually Hamby, I think the fact that religions change and conform is the best prove against your and many other atheist’s claim.

    You’re going to have to paint me a picture, Alison. How does one of these things have anything to do with the other?

    Posted by hambydammit | January 4, 2011, 1:52 pm
  5. You’re going to have to paint me a picture, Alison. How does one of these things have anything to do with the other?

    Your claim:
    Religion takes things outside the realm of science ergo it cannot change because since the claims are outside of science, they cannot be falsified or tested and hence cannot be changed regardless of whatever evidence is presented. Greta called it the amour of God

    That is if I say that women should be silent because God wants them to be, it’s harder to disprove as opposed to women should be silent because they’re only good for making babies.

    If that were true, then religion wouldn’t change at all or only rarely change, and we would still see the vast majority of Christians still adhering to women must be silent and shellfish is an abomonation. [That’s not to say that there aren’t mysgonist Christians]

    So how DO we change immoral/bigoted religious memes? We change the society that it’s in. There is clear lots of mysogony floating around in society today, change that, the religious beliefs will follow.

    And Hamby, I hope you come to realize that it’s precisely why I want to end bigoted religious memes that I argue so passionately. It pains me to see good intentioned people get misguided and propose a band-aid solution.

    Posted by cptpineapple | January 4, 2011, 3:14 pm
  6. Religion takes things outside the realm of science ergo it cannot change because since the claims are outside of science, they cannot be falsified or tested and hence cannot be changed regardless of whatever evidence is presented. Greta called it the amour of God

    Not quite. Religion makes the claim to be outside the realm of science. Therefore, it will lag seriously behind science and reason because its adherents will resist any scientific knowledge that disagrees with them. Some claims, such as Jesus’ divinity, will remain more or less intact regardless of scientific advancement, but others will change, though at a slower and more resistant pace.

    Posted by hambydammit | January 4, 2011, 5:21 pm
  7. Hamby,
    I would hate to think that your atheism is based on flawed misinterpretations…

    http://christianfeminism.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/the-mistranslation-of-1-timothy-211-12/

    Posted by PG | January 5, 2011, 1:17 am

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