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Atheists Sometimes Behave Badly. But We Clean Up After Ourselves.

In Bend, Oregon, it appears that an atheists have taken it upon themselves to engage in vigilante proselytizing.  Two churches were vandalized with homages to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

In the spirit of using lemons to make lemonade, I hope this is a time when the atheist community can step up and prove that we really are different than theists.  Not perfect, but different.

I’ve consistently condemned the (allegedly existent) “moderate majority” of Christians who really are nice people who don’t hate gays, think atheists are fine, and support women’s reproductive choice.  I’ve said they don’t do their part by standing up against religious extremism.  I’ve said they implicitly condone extremism by remaining polite and “respecting” everyone’s diverse religious beliefs.  And to this day, I remain convinced of my beliefs.

Let’s be different.  Here’s part of my contribution:  To any of the people responsible for this, or anyone who thinks it’s cool and might do something similar:  STOP IT YOU FUCKWADS!  It’s not OK.  It’s not cool.  It’s illegal, immoral, and stupid.  Nothing short of a public apology and turning yourself in to the police will convince me that you are worthy of respect as moral human beings.  You do not represent anything that I hold dear as a freethinker, skeptic, and atheist.  

Here’s the second part of my contribution:  I’m sending money to a fund created — by the Friendly Atheist — for cleaning up the church.  I’m standing by what I believe.  Christians have every right to have churches, and they have every right to the protection of the law.  They did not deserve to be vandalized, and if the offenders will not man up and do the right thing, I will do it in their stead.  I will prove that you don’t have to believe in Jesus to understand the value of sacrifice.  Join me, won’t you?

So… are any Christians willing to do the right thing and put up the money to repair all the Atheist billboards that have been vandalized by “extremists” in their own ranks? Let’s see who’s more moral…

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4 thoughts on “Atheists Sometimes Behave Badly. But We Clean Up After Ourselves.

  1. Sweet gesture, but until the atheist movement starts speaking out against Hitchen’s views on genocide in Afghanistan or Harris’s views on conflict in the Middle East, I’m not too convinced.

    Posted by cptpineapple | June 15, 2011, 6:23 pm
  2. Snarkiness aside, I’m begining to think that this atheism vs theism debate is quickly approaching cold war era tactics.

    Such as any socialist group was in line with the USSR or Albania.

    That’s still seen in the religious right with their views on Obama, and universal health care. That’s seen in other religious movements that the atheist movement is Communists, or baby eaters or whatever.

    I’m re-thinking my views on moderates and one of the things I can’t get past is that it’s like saying socialists in the 60’s supported Communism, or at least as it was practiced in the USSR.

    Such as my above comment, SHOULD* I expect the atheist movement to speak out against Harris/Hitchens? SHOULD I expect the Friendly atheist to raise funds and paint the church? SHOULD I expect Christian moderates to speak out against Jerry Farewell? SHOULD I expect Christians to raise money to fix the atheist billboards?

    All of the above would be sweet gestures, but should it be expected of them?

    *The “IF” statement attached to the SHOULD is IF I want to avoid polarizing views and “us vs them” mentalities.

    Posted by cptpineapple | June 15, 2011, 6:52 pm
  3. Those who do disagree with him/them speak out against him/them. Just google search it. I disagree with Hitchens’ views on military responses to Islam, but frankly, I’m not well versed enough in Mid-East politics to form a coherent argument worth posting. I just don’t like it. And generally disagree on principle. But that’s about all I can say on the matter.

    A few years ago, I spent a good bit of time talking bad about Harris’ language, which I viewed as equivalent of FOX’s scare tactics. But all I can really say is I think he overestimates the danger of Islam. I don’t think he’s wrong that it’s incredibly dangerous. So… I’m not sure how vitriolic I can get about either one of them.

    And really, what exactly does either of them say that’s comparable to the kind of bigotry and hate coming from the Religious Right? Are Hitch and Harris empirically dead wrong and morally deplorable, or are they a bit over the top in their estimations of how evil the evil people are?

    Posted by Living Life Without a Net | June 16, 2011, 5:25 pm
  4. What I was trying to asses was what’s to be expected when our “group” or other groups when people behave badly. Atheism isn’t really an idea, so why should atheists have to apologize for Stalin or the people who painted the church?

    On the other hand, Christianity is an idea, so what’s to be expected of the moderate with regards to Phelps? But then again socialism is also an idea, so what’s to be expected of a socialist in relation to the USSR? You may say it’s a different form of left wing politics than Marxism, but then Catholicism is a different form of Christianity than Baptist.

    So should a moderate Baptist have to apologize [implying they take part of the blame] for the Catholic pedo scandal?
    Should a “moderate” socialist have to apologize[once again, implying they take part of the blame] for the USSR?

    Are Hitch and Harris empirically dead wrong and morally deplorable

    Yes, and yes but that’s another topic.

    Posted by cptpineapple | June 16, 2011, 7:41 pm

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